Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/02/2004 09:05 AM Senate FIN

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SENATE BILL NO. 313                                                                                                           
     "An Act making supplemental  and other appropriations; amending                                                            
     appropriations;  making an appropriation to capitalize  a fund;                                                            
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 314                                                                                                           
     "An Act making supplemental  and other appropriations; amending                                                            
     and   repealing  appropriations;   making   appropriations   to                                                            
      capitalize funds; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  continued hearing presentations  from departments  on                                                            
the  budget requests  of  both  bills. The  Committee  referenced  a                                                            
spreadsheet  titled "FY2004  SUPPLEMENTALS"  dated  March 31,  2004,                                                            
which outlined the requests [copy on file].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  referenced the spreadsheet and clarified  that it is                                                            
intended  for  the  purpose  of  convenience  and  discussion.  This                                                            
spreadsheet contains all but two of the proposed amendments.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Labor and Workforce Development                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 2                                                                                                                 
     Department: University Education Labor                                                                                     
     Supplemental  Need: Mar 22 Amd:  appropriate the June  30, 2004                                                            
     balance  of  the  Alaska  Technical  and Vocational   Education                                                            
     Program account (TVEP)  to the four entities allowed to receive                                                            
     the  funds:  UA, Galena  Project  Education Voc  Training  Ctr,                                                            
     Kotzebue Technical Ctr, and AVTEC                                                                                          
     $1,002,100 TVEP                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
GUY BELL, Director, Division  of Administrative Services, Department                                                            
of  Labor and  Workforce  Development,  testified  that  the  Alaska                                                            
Technical and  Vocational Education  Program is funded by  one-fifth                                                            
of the  employee contributions  made to  the unemployment  insurance                                                            
trust. These funds  are designated to vocational education  programs                                                            
around the State.  The current allocation is based  on the following                                                            
percentages:  63-percent for  the University  of Alaska,  22-percent                                                            
for  the Alaska  Vocational  Technical  Center, 11-percent  for  the                                                            
Kotzebue Technical  Center, and four-percent for the  Galena Project                                                            
Educational  Vocational Training  Center. This  request would  allow                                                            
the FY 04 TVEP  fund balance to be allocated according  to the above                                                            
percentages.  The  amount  of  TVEP fund  balance  is  dependent  on                                                            
whether the funds  "swept" from the TVEP fund into  the general fund                                                            
in FY 03 are returned through a "reverse sweep".                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked the balance  amount if the reverse  sweep does                                                            
not occur.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bell responded the balance would be approximately $88,000.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  questioned  the  amount  of  funding  each  of  the                                                            
vocational education programs received in FY 04.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bell  replied that the  total amount appropriated  in FY  04 was                                                            
approximately  $4.6 million. This  amount was then allocated  to the                                                            
four vocational  education programs  using the percentages  detailed                                                            
above.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked how much of  the appropriation was  swept into                                                            
the general fund.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bell answered  that $913,600 was  swept at the end of  FY 03. If                                                            
this amount were reinstated  to the TVEP fund the fund balance would                                                            
be just over one million dollars.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked how these programs  would be affected  if this                                                            
request is not included in the FY 04 supplemental budget.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bell responded  that the balance of the TVEP fund  at the end of                                                            
FY 04 would remain in the  account; the funds would not be allocated                                                            
until a future appropriation by the legislature.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green restated her earlier question.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bell  answered that  if this  request were  not included  in the                                                            
supplemental  budget the FY  05 operating  budget would dictate  the                                                            
TVEP   fund.  The   FY  05   operating  budget   would  appropriate                                                             
approximately  $4.6 million  to TVEP, and  this appropriation  would                                                            
then be allocated to the vocational education programs.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked  for a  chart comparing  the  affects of  this                                                            
supplemental budget request if adopted, and if not adopted.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bell  responded that  he would  need to compare  the affects  of                                                            
this  supplemental  request if  passed with  the  reverse sweep,  if                                                            
passed without the reverse sweep, and if not adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PAT PITNEY, Director of  Budget, University of Alaska, testified via                                                            
teleconference from an  offnet location that the University supports                                                            
this request.  The TVEP is directed at high demand  work force areas                                                            
determined by the Alaska  Workforce Investment Board. The University                                                            
is attempting to respond  quickly to certain high priority workforce                                                            
needs, and this additional  appropriation would allow the University                                                            
some   financial   flexibility.   Specifically,   the  University's                                                             
vocational  health care programs need  additional funds to  complete                                                            
classroom  set-up and distance  course development.  The  University                                                            
requests that these additional funds be appropriated in FY 04.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked Ms. Pitney if she had written  a letter to the                                                            
Committee expressing the University's support of this request.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney answered no,  and added that she would be able to draft a                                                            
letter for the Committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green requested  that Ms. Pitney also draft a comparison of                                                            
the affect  on the  University's  vocational  education programs  if                                                            
this request is adopted, and if it is not.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  informed that in 2003 Kotzebue Technical  Center lost                                                            
$300,000  in the sweep of  funds out of the  TVEP fund. He  asked if                                                            
this request  would  consider Kotzebue  Technical  Center's loss  of                                                            
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pitney  affirmed  that  the  Kotzebue  Technical  Center  would                                                            
receive their portion of  the funds made available for an additional                                                            
FY 04 appropriation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked if  Kotzebue Technical Center would be receiving                                                            
approximately  $110,000 of the funds if this supplemental  amendment                                                            
were adopted.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pitney  affirmed  that  the  Kotzebue  Technical  Center  would                                                            
receive that amount if  they are allocated 11 percent of the overall                                                            
appropriation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bell clarified  that if a reverse sweep occurs  and this request                                                            
is adopted the Kotzebue Technical Center would receive $110,000.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 3(d)                                                                                                              
     BRU: Regulatory Commission of Alaska                                                                                       
     Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Legal counsel costs                                                                         
     $180,000 Unrestricted Federal Receipts                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAWN  BISHOP-KLEWENO,  Special  Assistant  to the  Commissioner  and                                                            
Chair, Regulatory Commission  of Alaska, Department of Community and                                                            
Economic Development,  testified via  teleconference from  Anchorage                                                            
that  this request  would  assist the  Commission  with legal  costs                                                            
resulting from the appeal  of legal cases involving tax rate changes                                                            
effective from 1996-2000.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green   noted  that  several   departments'  supplemental                                                             
requests involve telecommunications costs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  SWANSON,  Director,   Division  of  Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department  of  Administration,  testified   that  the supplemental                                                             
requests relating  to telecommunications  costs reflect the  amounts                                                            
that  the State  agencies  are unable  to  pay. These  amounts  also                                                            
reflect increases  in telecommunications costs from  FY 03 to FY 04.                                                            
In  FY 03  the Department  of  Administration  was able  to  forgive                                                            
portions  of the  telecommunications  costs  in order  that  certain                                                            
State agencies did not  have to submit supplemental budget requests.                                                            
The  Department anticipated  that  cost  savings would  be  achieved                                                            
through  the Telecom partnering  agreement.  However, the  agreement                                                            
did not meet  the expectations of  the Department, and cost  savings                                                            
were not achieved.  The Department would be in a "cash  flow crunch"                                                            
if   the  various   State   agencies  were   unable   to  fund   the                                                            
telecommunications costs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked the time frame for finding a  solution to this                                                            
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Swanson  responded that the Department  is considering  revising                                                            
the methodology  used to determine the enterprise  productivity rate                                                            
(EPR), which  is the rate  charged for  telecommunication  services.                                                            
Currently  the EPR  is based  on the  number of  jobs, which  causes                                                            
certain State agencies to be more heavily impacted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked how these high  telecommunication costs  would                                                            
impact the FY 05 budget.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Swanson  replied that  the Department does  not have a  reliable                                                            
forecast  for FY 05 telecommunication  costs.  These costs  would be                                                            
determined by methodology  changes the Department might implement in                                                            
FY 05.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked if  the Department was committed to correct the                                                            
methodology  that has contributed  to these  high telecommunication                                                             
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Swanson affirmed  the Department's willingness  to make changes.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green noted that  nearly every department has been affected                                                            
by these high telecommunication costs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Swanson clarified  that  the Department  of  Health and  Social                                                            
Services, the  Department of Transportation  and Public Facilities,                                                             
and the Department of Corrections  are the State agencies requesting                                                            
FY 04 supplemental budget amendments related to this issue.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  mentioned that the  Department of Health  and Social                                                            
Services has requested several amendments related to this issue.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Swanson affirmed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked  if the  impact of  not adopting  the  related                                                            
requests to the FY 04 supplemental budget would be severe.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Swanson  explained that the State  could have problems  with the                                                            
federal  government  if  these  costs are  not  paid.  In  addition,                                                            
without   a   supplemental    appropriation   the   Department    of                                                            
Administration could experience a cash flow shortage.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 10(x)                                                                                                             
     BRU: Probation Services                                                                                                    
     Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Court ordered costs for                                                                     
     Division of Juvenile Justice                                                                                               
     $295,900 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JANET  CLARKE,  Director,   Division  of  Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department  of  Health   and  Social  Services,  testified   that  a                                                            
component of the  Department's budget was deleted  relating to court                                                            
ordered  costs  for  juvenile  justice  cases.  The  Department  has                                                            
submitted this  request because the legislature determined  that the                                                            
Department should include  the court ordered costs in a supplemental                                                            
request after the actual costs are realized.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 10(y)                                                                                                             
     BRU: Alaska Psychiatric Institute                                                                                          
      Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Telecommunication costs                                                                    
     $98,400 Unrestricted Federal Receipts                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 10(z)                                                                                                             
     BRU: Children's Services Management                                                                                        
      Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: telecommunications costs                                                                   
     $49,500 Unrestricted Federal Receipts                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 10(aa)                                                                                                            
     BRU: McLaughlin Youth Center                                                                                               
      Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Telecommunications costs                                                                   
     $135,300 Unrestricted Federal Receipts                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 10(bb)                                                                                                            
     BRU: Public Assistance Field Services                                                                                      
      Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Telecommunications costs                                                                   
     $110,700 Unrestricted Federal Receipts                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 10(cc)                                                                                                            
     BRU: Pioneer Homes                                                                                                         
      Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Telecommunications costs                                                                   
     $159,900 Unrestricted Federal Receipts                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  informed that  the Department's  telecommunication  cost                                                            
supplemental requests  total $553,800. She informed  that the Alaska                                                            
Communication  Systems  (ACS) contract  changed  the methodology  of                                                            
accounting  and allocating costs from  a device count to  a position                                                            
count.  The ACS  contract  was supposed  to  offer savings  in  long                                                            
distance toll  charges to offset costs;  however, the Department  of                                                            
Health and  Social Services has not  yet realized savings  from this                                                            
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke explained  that the Pioneers' Homes budgeted  $66,000 for                                                            
telecommunications costs;  however, based on the ACS methodology the                                                            
rates would  be $600,000. The Department  has attempted to  minimize                                                            
the  impact of  these costs,  but  it could  not afford  to pay  the                                                            
increased rates.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Department of Law                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 12(c)                                                                                                             
     BRU: Environmental Law                                                                                                     
     Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Studies and analyses related to                                                             
     oil remaining in the environment from the Exxon Valdez oil                                                                 
     spill                                                                                                                      
     $1,500,000 EVOSS                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG TILLERY, Chief Assistant  Attorney General - Statewide Section                                                            
Supervisor,  Environmental  Section, Civil  Division, Department  of                                                            
Law, testified  via teleconference  from Anchorage. He testified  as                                                            
follows.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The Department has requested an appropriation of $1.5 million                                                              
     in receipts from the Exxon Valdez oil spill Trustee Council.                                                               
     This  amount has been  approved by the  Trustee Council  at its                                                            
     most recent  meeting. Many of the natural resources  injured by                                                            
     the Exxon Valdez oil  spill have recovered or are well along in                                                            
     the process  of recovering. One area that remains  a particular                                                            
     concern  stems from the discovery  in the year 2001  that there                                                            
     was significantly  more oil remaining  in a toxic state  in the                                                            
     environment  than was anticipated. Fuel studies  have indicated                                                            
     that this  lingering oil is bio-available to  species that feed                                                            
     in  the inter-tidal  and near  shore  environment. Preliminary                                                             
     studies indicate that  certain species with access to this oil,                                                            
     in  particular  harlequin  ducks and  sea otters,  continue  to                                                            
     ingest  or  otherwise  contact the  oil  and may  be  adversely                                                            
     affected  by it. In addition,  there are other species  such as                                                            
     herring  where studies  indicate that  injury persists  but the                                                            
     connection to the oil spill remains clouded.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     This  appropriation  was directed  by  the Trustee  Council  to                                                            
     allow  the  State  to retain  independent  outside  experts  to                                                            
     analyze results of  these studies, to develop potential further                                                            
     studies  to  further  clarify  the  issue, and  to  fund  those                                                            
     studies,  and finally, if warranted, to develop  a strategy for                                                            
     dealing with  any problems. All of these moneys  are restricted                                                            
     program   receipts  and  are  limited  in  their   use  to  the                                                            
     restoration  activities  requested by  the joint federal/State                                                             
     Exxon Valdez oil spill Trustee Council.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked if this effort is mandated or voluntary.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery  replied  that the  effort  is mandated  because of  the                                                            
responsibility  of the  State in its  role within  the EVOS  Trustee                                                            
Council.  However, the  State could  not be forced  to undergo  this                                                            
additional study.  Much of this appropriation would  not be expended                                                            
by  State  employees,  but  by  outside   experts  and  the  federal                                                            
government.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken questioned  the  consequences  of disallowing  this                                                            
study.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tillery  answered  that  if this  study  were  not undertaken,                                                             
"questions are  unanswered". These unknowns could  negatively affect                                                            
the State, industry, and private citizens.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  expressed that studies  conducted through  the EVOS                                                            
settlement  have become  "a jobs program".  He requested  a list  of                                                            
projects  that  this appropriation   would fund,  and  the  specific                                                            
project costs. He asserted  that he is not in favor of this request.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery agreed to provide the requested information.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde commented  that areas of Prince William Sound had been                                                            
left un-restored  after the oil spill  so that the natural  recovery                                                            
rate of  the environment could  be studied.  He asked if the  oil in                                                            
the intentionally  un-restored areas was affecting  the wildlife the                                                            
witness referenced.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery  responded that  the majority of  the studies have  been                                                            
conducted   on  beaches   that  have  been   cleaned.  Experts   had                                                            
anticipated that any remaining  oil would have been "weathered out",                                                            
but more oil, and oil with  high toxicity was actually found present                                                            
on some  of these beaches.  Through testing  it has been  determined                                                            
that  the  oil is  "leaching  out"  of  these beach  areas,  and  is                                                            
affecting harlequin ducks and sea otters.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  referenced a document he received  from the EVOS                                                            
Trustee Council  requesting $900,000 to conduct an  eco-system study                                                            
in the Prince William Sound area.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery replied that  though all of the EVOS programs coordinate                                                            
with  one  another,  the request  Senator  B.  Stevens  received  is                                                            
different than this supplemental  request. He reiterated the origins                                                            
of this supplemental request, and emphasized its specificity.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens cited the memo  dated March 23, 2004  requesting                                                            
federal receipt  authority for approximately $745,000  to conduct an                                                            
"eco-system  ocean integrated observing  system". He again  asked if                                                            
the request he received is related to this supplemental request.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery  answered that the request  Senator B. Stevens  received                                                            
reflects  a grant offered  by the National  Oceanic and Atmospheric                                                             
Administration  (NOAH). He again clarified that the  two studies are                                                            
not related.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens read some excerpts  of the EVOS document  he had                                                            
received.  He asked how much  funding would  be used for studies  on                                                            
the continuing impact of the Exxon Valdez oil spill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery  replied that  the studies funded  by this supplemental                                                             
request should  "cap" studies  on the lingering  affects of  the oil                                                            
spill.  He qualified  that  the  studies  referenced by  Senator  B.                                                            
Stevens would  not examine the lingering  affects of oil,  but would                                                            
focus on the currents of the Prince William Sound.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  referenced another  EVOS request, and asked  if that                                                            
request was the same as this supplemental request.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery  answered that  the two requests  were related,  but not                                                            
the same and  have different funding  sources. The request  Co-Chair                                                            
Green referenced  is related to a "re-opener provision"  in the EVOS                                                            
settlement decree.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  asked  if  more  EVOS  settlement  funds  might  be                                                            
awarded.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tillery  responded  that  the  potential  existed  if  a  study                                                            
determines that  unanticipated injury related to EVOS  has occurred.                                                            
If any  additional funding  were received  it would  be directed  at                                                            
very specific, pre-determined projects.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  asked  how  the  State   would  benefit  from  this                                                            
supplemental request.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery explained that  the State's resources would be restored.                                                            
The public would  benefit because the EVOS would finally  be "put to                                                            
rest". The studies to be  funded by this request would eliminate the                                                            
unknowns  and speculation  regarding  the lingering  affects of  the                                                            
EVOS.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked why  this appropriation  would be directed  to                                                            
the  Department  of  Law.  She asked  if  the  Department  would  be                                                            
contracting with outside agencies or other State agencies.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery  replied  that the  Department  of Law is  one of  three                                                            
State  members of  the EVOS  Trustee  Council. The  Trustee  Council                                                            
determined  that the  funding  should go  to the  Department of  Law                                                            
because  certain  outside  experts  have  already   been  contracted                                                            
through the  Department; therefore  continuity, efficiency  and cost                                                            
savings could be achieved  through allowing the Department of Law to                                                            
distribute  the funds.  He qualified  that the  Department would  be                                                            
merely a "conduit" for this appropriation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked about the consequences if this  request is not                                                            
included in the FY 04 supplemental budget.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tillery  explained  that  this request  must  be  included  the                                                            
supplemental  budget because  certain  aspects of  the studies  must                                                            
begin this field  season. The studies might not be  completed if the                                                            
funding is not granted until FY 05.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked the witness to document his explanation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson informed  that  he had  been involved  with  numerous                                                            
marine  science  projects some  of  which were  funded  by the  EVOS                                                            
settlement  funds. He  continued that  he could  potentially bid  on                                                            
EVOS projects in the future,  and explained that his family operates                                                            
a charter sightseeing  boat on Prince  William Sound. He  summarized                                                            
that  he  has  a "tenuous"   conflict  of  interest  regarding  this                                                            
supplemental request.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  questioned when  the EVOS FY  03 annual  report                                                            
would be distributed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tillery  answered  that he was  unsure, but  that he would  find                                                            
out.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  noted that she had passed over certain  supplemental                                                            
requests that involve direct transfers.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 14(d)                                                                                                             
     BRU: Agricultural Division                                                                                                 
     Supplemental Need: For the marketing and continued                                                                         
     implementation of the State Organic Certification Program                                                                  
     $90,000 ARLF                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
NICO  BUS, Administrative   Services Manager,  Division  of  Support                                                            
Services,   Department   of  Natural   Resources,   testified   that                                                            
approximately  $30,000   of this  appropriation   would  be  applied                                                            
directly to the State Organic  Certification Program, and $60,000 to                                                            
the marketing of this program.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green noted the  legislation authorizing this appropriation                                                            
had been passed, but not implemented.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus responded  that the Department  does not have the  necessary                                                            
regulations  to  use program  receipts  to  fund the  State  Organic                                                            
Certification Program as  the legislature had directed. This request                                                            
would use Agricultural  Revolving Loan Funds to fund  the authorship                                                            
of the needed regulations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 14(k)                                                                                                             
     BRU: Capital                                                                                                               
     Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: The balance of the Diamond                                                                  
     Creek Parcel Purchase, reviewed by the Legislature as RPL 10-                                                              
     4-5002 on July 9, 2003, needs to be moved from operating to                                                                
     capital as the project will not be completed by end of FY 04.                                                              
     $0.0                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 14(l)                                                                                                             
     BRU: Development Special Projects                                                                                          
     Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Sec. 47(b), ch. 1, SSSLA 2002                                                               
     for appraisal of public school lands needs lapse date                                                                      
     extension from June 30, 2004 to June 30, 2006 due to on-going                                                              
     litigation.                                                                                                                
     $                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus outlined  these  requests.  He  noted  that both  of  these                                                            
amendments   are  simply  requesting   the  extension  of   specific                                                            
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section: 19(l)&(j)                                                                                                         
     BRU: Capital                                                                                                               
     Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: Ekwok Airport project-adds $2                                                               
     million and changes the project title from "rehabilitation" to                                                             
     "improvements."                                                                                                            
     $2,000,000 federal funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  SLAGLE,  Director,   Division  of  Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department of  Transportation and Public Facilities,  testified that                                                            
originally  this project was intended  to rehabilitate the  existing                                                            
airport facilities  due to  weather damage,  but the Department  has                                                            
determined that relocating the airport is a better option.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked if the decision  to relocate the facility  was                                                            
due to the cost inefficiency of remodeling the existing airport.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Ms.  Slagle answered  that  relocating the  facility  is the  better                                                            
option, and with  this appropriation the Department  could afford to                                                            
relocate the facility.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked if this supplemental  request impacts  federal                                                            
funds in the FY 05 capital budget.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  replied  that  no,  this appropriation   would  utilize                                                            
Federal Aviation  Administration (FAA)  Airport Improvement  Program                                                            
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     SB 313                                                                                                                     
     Section: 20(1)                                                                                                             
     BRU: Capital                                                                                                               
     Supplemental Need: Mar 22 Amd: FY04 Earmark for Akutan                                                                     
     alternative plan to use ferry access to airport. No match                                                                  
     required.                                                                                                                  
     $1,000,000 federal funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle reminded that  the federal omnibus appropriation bill has                                                            
several  earmarks  relating  to airports.  The  Department  did  not                                                            
initially   realize  that  legislative   authority  was   needed  to                                                            
authorize this  earmark. This request would allow  the Department to                                                            
consider  alternatives for  the location of  the airport in  Akutan,                                                            
and related ferry alternatives.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  referenced a packet  containing a memorandum  to the                                                            
Senate Finance  Committee from the  Office of Management  and Budget                                                            
dated  March  31, 2004,  which  contained  an  amendment  to SB  313                                                            
proposed by the Department  of Education and Early Development [copy                                                            
on  file].  The  packet  contained  another  memorandum  from  Karen                                                            
Rehfeld of the Department  of Education and Early Development to the                                                            
Office  of  Management  and  Budget  dated  March  30,  2004,  which                                                            
provided information about the amendment [copy on file].                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  REHFELD, Deputy  Commissioner,  Department  of Education  and                                                            
Early Development,  testified that  the legislature has approved  an                                                            
expansion project  of the Mount Edgecumbe dormitory  and classrooms.                                                            
The Department  is hoping to serve  an additional 65 to 80  students                                                            
following  the completion  of the  expansion. The  Governor is  very                                                            
supportive of  this expansion project, and has requested  that it be                                                            
accelerated  so  that  additional  students  could  be accommodated                                                             
beginning in August  2004. Additional funding is needed  in order to                                                            
carry out this request.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  explained that this supplemental  request contains  two                                                            
parts. One part  involves a capital project that would  expedite the                                                            
renovation  project in order  that the facilities  could be  used in                                                            
December 2004.  The other part involves  operating funds  that would                                                            
enable  Mount  Edgecumbe  to  house  students  while  the  dormitory                                                            
renovation  is  being  completed.  The  Department   is considering                                                             
utilizing a vacant floor  of the Sitka Pioneers' Home to temporarily                                                            
house  the students.  The  dormitory  management and  food  services                                                            
contracts  would need  to be  amended to  allow  for the  additional                                                            
students and the temporary use of the Sitka Pioneers' Home.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld referenced  the  memorandum dated  March  30, 2004  and                                                            
clarified that the names  used to reference certain rooms within the                                                            
Mount Edgecumbe  High School were no longer relevant,  specifically,                                                            
the names "Dance Studio" and "Home Economics Room".                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  continued  that the  Department  of Transportation  and                                                            
Public Facilities  (DOTPF)  would serve as  the project manager  for                                                            
the  renovation  project.  The DOTPF  would  be visiting  the  Mount                                                            
Edgecumbe   High  School   to  ensure  that   the  renovations   are                                                            
"appropriate" and "realistic" given the target timeline.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked if the intention  of the renovation  project is                                                            
to allow Mount Edgecumbe's student population to increase.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  responded yes,  that Mount  Edgecumbe currently  serves                                                            
approximately   320  students,  and   the  renovation  would   allow                                                            
approximately an additional 80 students.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  informed that  the  Legislative Budget  and  Audit                                                            
Committee had  discussed the Mount  Edgecumbe renovation  project in                                                            
October 2003.  At that time the Committee  approved a $1.65  million                                                            
Revised Program  - Legislative (RPL) for the planning  and design of                                                            
the Mount Edgecumbe renovation  expected to be completed by the fall                                                            
of  2004. In  a  December Committee  meeting  a  second  RPL of  six                                                            
million  dollars   was  approved  for  renovation   expected  to  be                                                            
completed  by the  fall of  2005. During  the December  meeting  the                                                            
Department  assured the Committee  that no additional funding  would                                                            
be needed,  and that the  date of expected  completion would  be the                                                            
fall of 2005.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asked  if this  request would  actually enable  the                                                            
completion  of the  renovation  project  by the  fall  of 2004,  and                                                            
whether the  State is paying a financial  "penalty" by rushing  this                                                            
project. He  expressed concern regarding  the new project  timeline.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld   responded  that  there   would  be  increased   costs                                                            
associated  with   expediting  the  renovation  project.   From  the                                                            
beginning of this project  the Governor expressed interest in having                                                            
it completed  by the fall of 2004.  The Department did not  realize,                                                            
upon  originally  approaching   the Legislative   Budget  and  Audit                                                            
Committee  to request project  funding, that  it had the ability  to                                                            
request  the   entire  project  appropriation   at  one   time.  The                                                            
Department  requested funding for  the planning and design  work not                                                            
knowing what  other funding might  be available. The Department  was                                                            
"delighted"  when the Committee approved  the construction  funding.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  continued  that it  would be difficult  to accommodate                                                             
additional   students  in   the  2004  school   year  without   this                                                            
supplemental request. The  Deputy Commissioner of DOTPF is confident                                                            
that the  expansion project  could be completed  within the  current                                                            
timeline, but additional costs would be incurred.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked the status of the renovation project.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
EDDIE  JEANS,  Manger,   School  Finance  and  Facilities   Section,                                                            
Education  Support  Services,  Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                            
Development,   testified  that  the  preliminary   designs  for  the                                                            
renovations of the dormitory  facility are completed. The Department                                                            
of Education  and Early  Development  is working  with the DOTPF  to                                                            
finalize the preliminary designs.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans qualified that  $7.5 million is sufficient to complete the                                                            
Mount Edgecumbe  renovation  project. This  supplemental request  is                                                            
addressing  the need  for  temporary facilities  to  provide for  30                                                            
additional  students in the 2004 school  year until the renovations                                                             
are  completed.  Two  additional  renovations  would  be  needed  to                                                            
convert spaces  into temporary classrooms. In summary,  this request                                                            
is  not  an  attempt  to  acquire  more  funding  for  the  original                                                            
renovation project,  but rather an attempt to fund  renovations that                                                            
would  allow  30  additional  students  to  attend  Mount  Edgecumbe                                                            
beginning in the fall of 2004.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  encouraged the  Committee  to consider  whether  a                                                            
better renovation  project  would be produced  if the original  2005                                                            
project  completion   date  were  maintained.  He   asked  why  this                                                            
renovation project must be completed in 2004.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  recalled  that  the  funding  source  for  the                                                            
original  Mount Edgecumbe  renovation  project  was  the Tax  Credit                                                            
Relief  Act, which  was a  one time  funding source  granted to  the                                                            
State over a two-year period.  He asked if any Tax Credit Relief Act                                                            
funds  remain,  and  whether   they  could  be  used  to  fund  this                                                            
supplemental request in place of general funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  confirmed that an  answer to that question  would be                                                            
obtained.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Green   asked  if   Mount   Edgecumbe's   enrollment   is                                                            
consistently about 330  students. She also asked if the school has a                                                            
waiting list.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld responded that  Mount Edgecumbe's average enrollment has                                                            
been approximately  330 students,  which is the maximum capacity  of                                                            
the  school.   In  addition,  Mount   Edgecumbe  annually   receives                                                            
approximately 300 student  applications though it typically only has                                                            
100 to 140 openings.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked  for  more information  about  the demand  for                                                            
Mount Edgecumbe services.  She asked if this request must be a FY 04                                                            
supplemental request.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld explained that  the Department needs the ability to move                                                            
forward  with the  proposed renovations  and  operational issues  in                                                            
this  fiscal  year.  She emphasized  that  it  would  be  "extremely                                                            
difficult"  for the Department to  delay this funding request  until                                                            
FY 05 considering that  Mount Edgecumbe would be open to students in                                                            
August 2004.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  referred  to  a  chart  titled  "FY04 Supplemental                                                             
Amendment  - Operating  30 Additional  Students"  in the  memorandum                                                            
dated March 30, 2004 and  asked about the passenger van request. She                                                            
assumed  the  van  is  needed  to  transport  students  between  the                                                            
Pioneers' Home  to the high school. She also asked  if the line item                                                            
"Bus" listing  a $10,600 cost represented  the cost of hiring  a bus                                                            
driver.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld affirmed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked why air transportation costs  were included in                                                            
the supplemental request.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  replied that  the Department  provides Mount  Edgecumbe                                                            
students one round  trip airline ticket. The Department  budgets for                                                            
the airline costs by estimating  the number of students who would be                                                            
allotted tickets.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green restated her question.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  responded that the air  transportation costs  would not                                                            
be  incurred until  FY  05. She  explained  that the  Department  is                                                            
requesting  operating funds in this  supplemental to provide  for an                                                            
additional  30 students to attend  Mount Edgecumbe. These  funds are                                                            
being requested  in the FY 04 supplemental budget  so the Department                                                            
could begin making plans  regarding the acceptance of the additional                                                            
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  clarified  that  the  operating costs  in  this                                                            
supplemental would be for  the additional students, and not existing                                                            
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld affirmed,  and added that the operating  costs for Mount                                                            
Edgecumbe's  existing students  are in the  FY 05 operating  budget.                                                            
She explained  that the operating costs for the additional  students                                                            
could have been  offered as a FY 05 operating budget  amendment, but                                                            
the Department chose to  combine the additional operating costs with                                                            
the capital request involving  the additional students in this FY 04                                                            
supplemental request.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  assumed the contractual costs, except  the passenger                                                            
van, are related to the Sitka Pioneers' Home.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans  replied that the  contract costs  would be used  to amend                                                            
the current residential  and food service contracts to allow for the                                                            
temporary  use  of  the  Pioneers'   Home  and  for  the  additional                                                            
students. He added  that this request must be included  in the FY 04                                                            
supplemental budget  because the Department needs  to begin amending                                                            
the residential and food service contracts before July 1, 2004.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked if these operating  costs were for  half of FY                                                            
05.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  responded  that the operating  costs  would be for  the                                                            
full year. The Department's  reference to a half year was related to                                                            
the anticipated  completion of the  dormitory renovation  project in                                                            
December  2004,  which  would  allow students  to  begin  using  the                                                            
expanded facility in January 2005.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green understood.  She clarified that the contractual costs                                                            
would allow  the students to be housed  in the Pioneers'  Home until                                                            
the dormitory renovation is complete.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  corrected  that the  residential  contracts would  also                                                            
have to be amended  once the expanded dormitory facility  is in use.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  asked  if  the  "FTE"   line  items  on  the  "FY04                                                            
Supplemental  Amendment  - Operating  30 Additional  Students"  were                                                            
also contract related costs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld responded  that  the  residential  staff  and the  dorm                                                            
supervision  would occur over the  full academic year; however,  the                                                            
dorm  supervision  would  occur  at the  Pioneers'  Home  until  the                                                            
dormitory expansion is complete.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  asked  for  a  further  explanation   of  dormitory                                                            
supervision.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld answered  that  the Department  contracts  a  dormitory                                                            
management service.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green   asked  if  there  are  "dorm  mothers"   at  Mount                                                            
Edgecumbe.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied  that there are contract employees  who serve in                                                            
the dorm mother capacity.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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Department of Revenue and Department of Natural Resources                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green introduced the gas line funding request.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
STEVE PORTER, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Revenue, gave a                                                                
brief overview of stranded gas, and the State's stranded gas goals.                                                             
He testified as follows.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     From a  perspective standpoint,  I think what you've  got to do                                                            
     when  you look at stranded  gas in general,  is to think  about                                                            
     four  points. One is  you have to understand  the parties  that                                                            
     are  required to play,  and the other  parties that might  play                                                            
     and participate in  stranded [gas], and bringing the project to                                                            
     fruition.  You have to understand  all of the risks,  secondly,                                                            
     and all of the costs  and benefits associated with any project.                                                            
     Thirdly,  you have to be able to understand all  of the options                                                            
     you  have  to  address  those  risks,  so you  really  have  to                                                            
     understand  those  elements. And  then, fourthly,  you kind  of                                                            
     combine  all of those together  and you get a project.  That is                                                            
     the context in which we find ourselves.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     If  you look at  the first  element, the  parties, the  parties                                                            
     that play  and the parties that participate in  any project are                                                            
     basically  the producers,  because they  are the owners  of the                                                            
     gas. They  are either going to  sell the gas or they  are going                                                            
     to market  it themselves, but  they play in almost any  project                                                            
     that goes  forward because they  have some relationship  to the                                                            
     gas, and a working  interest in the gas. The federal government                                                            
     plays  in any  project because  they  are going  to take  their                                                            
     portion  from a taxes standpoint  in any project that  plays as                                                            
     well.  State government  is the same way.  We have revenue;  we                                                            
     have  royalty interests  and  tax interests,  and the  Canadian                                                            
     government  as well.  These are  all of the  parties that  must                                                            
     play in  any project. And so  you have to understand  that. The                                                            
     other  potential players that  come to the table are,  you have                                                            
     heard  of a whole list, Trans-Canada,  Enbridge, Mid-American,                                                             
     the  Port  Authority,  the  [Alaska  Natural  Gas] Development                                                             
     Authority,   [and]   interestingly,  the   local  distribution                                                             
     companies.  You've  got  Crystal  Energy  that you  have  heard                                                            
     about,  [and] a number of companies  that may actually,  from a                                                            
     shipping  standpoint, be  willing to purchase  the gas.  All of                                                            
     these  are potential players.  And the reason that you  have to                                                            
     understand  each one of their  perspectives is because  none of                                                            
     those additional players,  other than the group at the top that                                                            
     we   have   talked  about   [including]   the   feds   [federal                                                            
     government],  the State and the  producers, all of the  rest of                                                            
     these  players only play if they  bring something to  the table                                                            
     that is a tool or  an alternative to address some of that risk.                                                            
     In other  words, they  must take a piece  of the risk,  and add                                                            
     incremental  benefit  to  an  overall project,  or  they  don't                                                            
     participate.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     And so what  the State is tasked with doing,  is looking at all                                                            
     of the  different options that  the different parties  bring to                                                            
     the table  and understand those  as alternatives or  tools, and                                                            
     then  try to combine  all of  those tools  into a risk  package                                                            
     that works  on an overall project.  So a lot of the  stuff that                                                            
     you see before us  here today is trying to understand that risk                                                            
     package: how the players  bring value to the table. And we have                                                            
     to understand that  value to come to the State's recommendation                                                            
     on how to move forward.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     So that  gives you the overall  context that we find  ourselves                                                            
     in as  we move forward with the  project. What that  results in                                                            
     is, as one of these  particular participants come to the table,                                                            
     especially   under   the   Stranded   Gas   Act,  we   have   a                                                            
     responsibility  by law to negotiate  a contract with  any party                                                            
     that  can come to the  table and meet  the requirements  of the                                                            
     Act.  So  that  is kind  of  going  on  concurrently  with  our                                                            
     analysis.  So you've got to understand  that that is  happening                                                            
     as well:  the negotiations with the producers,  with Exxon, BP,                                                            
     and  Conoco  Phillips,  the  negotiations  that  went  on  with                                                            
     MidAmerican.  If  the  Port  Authority  also  ends up  with  an                                                            
     application  that meets the requirements  of law, you  have the                                                            
     Port Authority.  You have Enbridge as a possibility  to come in                                                            
     with  an application.  There are other  parties that have  also                                                            
     called  us as well. So each one  of these parties who  comes to                                                            
     the table,  what we are trying to do is to flesh  out the value                                                            
     of  what   they  bring  to  the   table  to  understand   their                                                            
     participation and  their ability to share risk in their overall                                                            
     project.  So that  is what  we are  trying to  do, and that  is                                                            
     where the numbers come from.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Porter   continued  by  discussing   the  risk  analysis.   The                                                            
Department is predicting  costs totaling $5.8 million to be expended                                                            
primarily  over  the  next  four to  six  months.  He  referenced  a                                                            
document  provided  by  the  Department   of  Revenue  titled  "Risk                                                            
Analysis  Project",  and  explained  that  the first  phase  of  the                                                            
project would  involve defining the boundaries, and  determining how                                                            
much risk  the State  could tolerate.  He continued  by listing  the                                                            
action taken in the second  phase of the project, and qualified that                                                            
the phases outlined  in this document slightly overlap  one another.                                                            
Phase  three involves  risk  sharing  between producers,  the  State                                                            
government, and the federal  government. Each of these parties would                                                            
benefit in  different ways  to compensate for  the risk assumed.  In                                                            
addition to risk sharing,  phase three also includes the creation of                                                            
a risk  assessment  model.  Lastly,  phase four  involves  producing                                                            
stranded gas  project recommendations.  The total cost of  this risk                                                            
analysis project would be $1,580,000.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Porter  stated  that individual   producer  negotiations  would                                                            
continue  to   occur  during  the   risk  analysis  project.   These                                                            
negotiations  would "feed"  the risk analysis  project. The  cost of                                                            
on-going negotiations  would total  $4.25 million, for a  total cost                                                            
of $9.73 million  for the State gas  line right of way and  the risk                                                            
analysis project.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MARK  MYERS,  Director,  Division  of Oil  and  Gas,  Department  of                                                            
Natural  Resources,  testified  via teleconference  from  an  offnet                                                            
location. He noted that  it is an "exciting time" for the Alaska gas                                                            
line project  as evidenced  by the number  of parties interested  in                                                            
being  involved  with the  project.  The  State  needs to  have  the                                                            
expertise available to  fully analyze the components of the gas line                                                            
proposals to  ensure that the project  provides maximum benefits  to                                                            
the State.  The State must  consider the  following when  conducting                                                            
its analysis:  the benefits  each of these  parties could offer  the                                                            
State,  the  benefits  the State  could  offer  the  producers,  the                                                            
appropriate combination  of producers, and the appropriate  level of                                                            
risk sharing  between the producers  and the State. The State  could                                                            
obtain some of  this information directly from the  producers, those                                                            
involved with  the construction of the pipeline, marketers,  and gas                                                            
users. However,  certain data  could not  be obtained through  these                                                            
direct  sources,  and other  data  would  require due  diligence  to                                                            
eliminate  subjectivity.  The  State  must  understand  the  project                                                            
itself: the  intrinsic risks,  the range of  risks, and outcomes  of                                                            
those risks. Acquiring  this information would require sophisticated                                                            
analysis,  and  State   government  does  not  possess   the  needed                                                            
expertise.  Because the State  would assume  added project  benefits                                                            
and  added project  risks,  it must  gain  an understanding  of  the                                                            
financial  market  by  contracting  financial  institutions.   These                                                            
issues would  be addressed in the  first phase of the risk  analysis                                                            
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Myers emphasized that  the risk assessment is a significant part                                                            
of  the  process.   The  State  must   contract  firms  to   provide                                                            
information  such the  market value  of gas, the  benefits of  a gas                                                            
line  through Alberta,  Canada,  and tariffs.  After  the risks  are                                                            
known, quantified,  and modeled, the  State would need to  determine                                                            
risk sharing and present  its findings to the parties in a "coherent                                                            
fashion".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Myers continued  that this risk analysis should  be conducted in                                                            
the near future  because it is a lengthy process,  requiring funding                                                            
in  the  FY   04  supplemental  budget.   This  request   should  be                                                            
encouraging  to the  legislature because  it reflects  that the  gas                                                            
line project is making progress.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Myers explained  that the State is better able  to establish the                                                            
gas line right of way than  private industry. The State would assume                                                            
ownership  of  the  right of  way,  and  later transfer  it  to  the                                                            
corporation  chosen to  construct  the gas pipeline.  Certain  risks                                                            
would be  assumed in  establishing  the right of  way. For  example,                                                            
after committing  significant capital to this project,  delays could                                                            
seriously affect the cost  of the project. In addition, social costs                                                            
associated with the pipeline  would be incurred. The State is in the                                                            
best position  to minimize the costs  and accelerate the  process of                                                            
establishing a  gas pipeline right of way. Furthermore,  the State's                                                            
ownership  of the gas line  right of way  would eliminate much  risk                                                            
for the pipeline construction company.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green welcomed  questions of the witness. She expressed the                                                            
need  for clear  understanding  of  this  request. She  asked  which                                                            
aspects of this  request must be included in the FY  04 supplemental                                                            
budget, and which aspects could be included in the FY 05 budget.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson assumed that  general funds would be used to fund this                                                            
appropriation,  and  asked  if  any  other  fund  sources  would  be                                                            
utilized.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Myers  replied that  possibly Permanent  Fund Corporation  funds                                                            
could  be used.  He  deferred  to Cheryl  Frasca  of the  Office  of                                                            
Management  and Budget  or Nico  Bus of  the Department  of  Natural                                                            
Resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  asked  that  Steve  Porter  provide  the  requested                                                            
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked if the  State's establishment  of the  gas line                                                            
right  of way  with the  intention  of a  future transfer  would  be                                                            
comparable  to the State's past investment  in the Alaska  Railroad,                                                            
which  resulted in  the railroad  becoming a  semi-autonomous  State                                                            
entity.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Myers  replied that the  situations are  similar, but the  State                                                            
would  transfer the  gas  line right  of way  to an  existing  state                                                            
entity rather  than creating  a new State  entity. In addition,  the                                                            
State  would   not  actively   manage  the   project  once   it  was                                                            
transferred.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  expressed  that the  legislature  should  have  more                                                            
control over  the gas line right of  way than has been allowed  over                                                            
the Alaska Railroad.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson recommended  an additional supplemental budget request                                                            
that would  appropriate funds to the  Army Corps of Engineers  for a                                                            
project in Shishmaref.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green   noted  that  Senator   Olson  has  discussed   the                                                            
Shishmaref  project with  the other  members of  the Committee.  The                                                            
Committee is interested  in assisting Senator Olson in obtaining the                                                            
funding for that project.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green ordered the bill HELD in Committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken chaired the remainder of the meeting.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                

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